or say to him, “What have you done? God was still behind that because He had a reason for David’s action. Sproul. It was God ordained that David commit that action, and He either caused Satan to tempt David so that he would do what God wanted (I think it is fair to assume that God directly caused Satan to do this because 2 Sam. Sproul, Does God Control Everything? 1:9-10) Just to name a few. It is a free gift to us that we have the opportunity to get to heaven, reciceved when we acept Him into our hearts as the Lord our Savior. In Matthew 18, he speaks of it being “FRANKLY FORGIVEN” — that is, being dismissed without being paid. 14, 16, 27; cf. And if you cannot sin in heaven (because you are free from sin, hence truly free) does that mean God is limiting you and not being loving to you? The punishment you supposedly deserve isn’t even crucifixion to begin with but hell, and therefore his crucifixion as an execution swap wouldn’t even work! He says; ‘Stay faithful to the covenant life’, but doesn’t usually hit us over the head with a sledgehammer when we don’t. http://truthmagazine.com/archives/volume31/GOT031014.html. David, I would also like to share this with you. #4 Neuropteron, Oct 12, 2020 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; And again, thank you for the cordial discussion! Jesus concludes that God’s forgiveness of us works the same way! Although some view a sovereign God as too threatening and humbling, the alternatives are far more discouraging. Change ). David is still responsible for the sin, God is still blameless in His doings, and everything that happened occurred because God wanted it to occur. Is there injustice on God’s part? At the other end is the idea that, while God is sovereign over all things, He chooses to stand back and let the universe run on its own. Stream below or “Add to cart” to download for free. It’s not about free will. Further more…I shouldn’t be held accountable for that action either…because He willed it..and If He wills it..who are we as men to setup ‘justice’ for my actions?! In Does God Control Everything?, R. C. Sproul explores and explains the Christian doctrine of providence—the teaching that God is the sovereign ruler of the universe. Many people today believe that, even if there is a God, He is not actively involved in this world. Paul wrote that believers in Christ have been “predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will” (Ephesians 1:11). Arminianism gives Christians much to thank God for, and Calvinism gives them more. ( Log Out /  16, 27) and follow him (v. 27), and be kept from perishing forever (v. 28). I have come to feel it is not truth, but I only want to talk about these things because I DO want the truth. If God’s hand WAS controlling everything, then he did all the good and all the bad, and can have fun being mad at himself if he is Just. We tend to use one to diminish the other; we tend to emphasize one at the expense of the other. People want to believe he knows the future exhaustively, because that silly notion gives them a sense of security. He clearly shows, irrefutably, that God does indeed control everything. That means your divorce, your affair, your lapse of judgment, your squandered opportunities, your failed business venture, your bankruptcy, your poor choices—these do not loosen God’s … So yes, some people are made to destruction only And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. The doctrine of sovereignty is that God is in control of everything. The situation with His elect is different, He loves them unconditionnally because of His grace and even though He sometimes punishes them they are always loved by Him, they are His children. While men slept the enemy (devil) sowed tares (false doctrine) in the master’s field (scripture). Jesus presents a more scientific view of the sun and rain, even if he still uses poetic hyberole, and in doing this he has sanctified our progression to a more scientific view of the same. Addresses the Possible Imbalance in our Understanding of God Between Holy and Familiar. The Bible directly contradicts this. The mind of the flesh cannot submit itself to God (Romans 8:7-8). However, If the Bible preaches Calvinism as you say, then I must come to see its truth. I dont think God is controlling everything actively in everyone’s life. Long ago I did it; from ancient times I planned it. Apparently He “micromanages” everything, including the death of sparrows (Matt 10:29), the outcome of casting of lots (Prov. Does God Control Everything? Do you feel that they may be offering explanations worth considering? God Is In Control of Everything and Allows Everything That Happens – Including Calamities. Calvinism, however, does not stop here, but links with the picture of the Supper that of the Shepherd (John 10:11-18, 24-29) who has his sheep given him to care for (vv. Unconditional election is a fact from Scripture. 11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— 12 she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”. God choose who He would save in eternity past, before anyone was born. R.C. “all men”, You are confusing two aspects of God’s will. Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What then? Scripture specifically says, “All who were appointed to eternal life believed” (Acts 13:48). “It makes no sense for a judge to tell a person that their fine/penalty has been paid, but they must pay it again.”. You need a more convincing argument than that. If you take note of the context this parable of the tares comes in a series of parables about seed=word, including the parable of the sower. I only am thinking as I am because it makes the most sense to me. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. How much does God control the events in history? The entire chapter of Romans 9 teaches us about unconditional election; Verse 10, “…when Rebecca had concieved children by one man, our forefather Isacc, 11)though the twins were not yet born and had done nothing neither good or bad- IN ORDER THAT GOD’S PURPOSE ACCORDING TO ELECTION SHALL MIGHT CONTINUE, NOT BECAUSE OF WORKS BUT BECAUSE OF HIS CALL. I am not controlling the passengers many many choices, only where they will end up when the ride is over. Biblical Christianity has taken a very different view, teaching that God, not fate or free will, is the primary cause of what is and what happens. Holy Faith isn’t what we add to the process of our salvation but, rather, is something that God has given as a gift to us. What a hypocrite. Each human person has the free will to take refuge in Jesus. Others reason, “If God has control over everything that happens — is he not a cosmic puppeteer pulling our strings when he wants us to dance?” This is not the way the Bible describes God. The Psalmist declared that, “the Lord does whatever pleases him, in the heavens and on the earth, in the seas and in their depths” (Psalms 135:6). By no means! 1:3-14, John 6:65, Acts 13:48), when disasters occur in cities (Amos 3:6), the exact time when each individual person will die (Job 14:5), “. PLUS — AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT — THERE IS a difference of intepretation between portions of the Old Testament and Jesus on the matter of how God uses the rain and the sun. Inasmuch as it is logically silly and ridiculous to believe that God would create the world as a giant puppet show in which he controls everything (there would be no point) these statements obviously must be viewed as poetic hyperbole. So I leave you with this…. Again, this is biblically unsound argumentation. . This seems pretty obvious, the problem is that there are plenty of people out there who will argue that it is always done. http://bloodtippedears.blogspot.com/2008/05/james-white-who-controls-salvation-man.html, Josh, you said: “If Jesus died for everyone, no one would go to hell.”. God Is In Control of Everything and Allows Everything That Happens – Including Calamities. 6:37-40; 17:6, 11f. (Romans 14:23). The sovereignty of God answers the question, “Who or What is in ultimate control?” Many people feel that life is generally a matter of good luck or bad luck. Jehovah made everything to play its part, and even a wrongdoer for a day of disaster. Everything that God does for us, he does for our own good. Those who go to hell chose to not accept god into their hearts to save them. Today, by God’s grace, I see the doctrine of election as one of the most humbling doctrines in all of Scripture. To guide, to lead, to comfort, to correct, to intercede, and to guide. Merciful with His elect… and who can blame them? All powerful Is God Really in Control of Everything? God is also omniscient. Many people today believe that, even if there is a God, He is not actively involved in this world. I’ve gone on long enough I think! 14 What shall we say then? As if God did not establish the condition in which he wills In that same parable, he speaks of the Sovereign’s ability to UNFORGIVE the debt if the forgiven person does not make the proper response to his forgivenness. . Because they seem possible to me. Yet while God controls those circumstances but does not control us. Calvinists view God’s sovereignty as being ‘controlling’ instead of being in control. Do you believe that God is the ultimate and final power over all things? If you believe that God is not sovereign in everything, even over the human will, then you definitely must read it. Working all things to His Glory 24:1; 1 Chron. God has “libertarian free will.” Sin did not remove our free will. “If God ceased to exist, the universe would perish with Him, because God not only has created everything, He sustains everything. saying things like “your God is not in control” or “then God doesnt get what God wants” There are plenty of things that have happened on earth that were not God’s desire. Pick a God who is in control and Almighty! I have got study and so i am confident that i am going to likely to read once again once more down the road. ” He clearly is talking to Christians. And with Lydia it is said that the Lord “opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul” (Acts 16:14). Thank you. ” The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary Abstract Principles also contain the historic teaching of Calvin: “God from eternity, decrees or permits all things that come to pass, and perpetually upholds, directs and governs all creatures and all events; yet so as not in any wise to be the author or approve of sin nor to destroy the free will and responsibility of intelligent creatures.” ”. but the passengers in the seats might sing, tell scripture to each other, curse, steal, do drugs, read a book, murder, anything. Segment 3 (17:14) – Everything that God does for us, he does for our own good. According to Jesus, if the birds are fed, it is the Father who feeds them; if the flowers grow, it is because God grows them. But someone can say, “I don’t believe in God, so that proves that God is not in control of everything!” Pretty strong argument isn’t it? We are dependent on Him, not only for our origin, but also for our continuing existence.” ― R.C. From the unified, transcendental perspective, God is everything and controls everything. It works this way, because if it didn’t no one could say that Christ died on their behalf. I hope that some of this is helpful. Thank you for your trust. And without faith, nothing we do can be considered free of sin, or good. Format: Add to Cart. On this view, both the Christ who saves and the faith which receives him as Savior are God’s gifts, and the latter is as much a foreordained reality as is the former. This means that there was nothing in us that moved God to choose us. Also, it has to do with a concept in the legal system called double jeopardy. Permitting or Controlling? Unwilling and unable to turn to Jesus. (Actually that would mean people elect God), Before you respond to me, please watch the previous video I posted above from James White(if you haven’t already). If you’re going to pick a god, pick a good one! I do know of the scriptures you referenced..but I also know where God said ‘I wished that none would perish” and ” whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved!” and ” Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.’ Seems to me that’s a decision! Since God is in ‘control’ over everything…then I guess He wouldn’t mind me stepping out and killing someone tomorrow. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours” (John 17:9). 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion,[b] but on God, who has mercy. because the Lord had judged it to be expedient; why he so judged is ordinance to that corruption which is now claimed as the cause of The relationships, authority and responsibility changed with the passage of time. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. “I say to you,” Jesus declared, “that every careless word that men shall speak, they shall render account for in the day of judgment” (Matthew 12:36). Since God owns everything, it is not sinful for him to take a life or destroy something. God “ELECTED” a people for Himself in eternity past. In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. As Christians, we need to be reminded that everything that happens to us in our life is allowed by God. However, it is clear from scripture that God created both angels and mankind with a free will. We experience the consequences of other people’s mistakes and failures. To say there is no God, or that God does not care or stands helpless on the sidelines, leads to fatalism and despair. -JI Packer, Arminianisms God never blesses the wicked and whatever they receive is only to their own destruction. 9:11-24, Eph. 16:33), who will receive salvation (Rom. Adam and Eve made a decision….not sure God would bring justice on something He permitted in the first place??? sole decision of God’s will, the cause of which is hidden in him.” Apparently He “micromanages” everything, including the death of sparrows (Matt 10:29), the outcome of casting of lots (Prov. (John 6:44; John 6:65; John 6:70; Acts 13:48; Eph.1:3-6; Eph. cheers. If he punished Jesus for everyone’s crime, then God’s wrath has been satisfied for everyone, and therefore, it cannot be poured out on anyone. With all due respect, that is not only false, but ludicrously incongruent with what Jesus taught (Come to me ALL who are burdened…, etc.) There’s your accomodation. Do you believe what the false interpretation in Matt 13 says, that God sowed his people in the world and God sowed his people in the world? John 8:34 teaches that we are slaves to sin. He also created the laws by which the universe is governed, and the Lord Jesus Christ continues to watch over it from heaven. 4.7 • 6 Ratings; Publisher Description. But responsible reading of the Scripture prohibits such reductionism.” (D. A. Carson). Related products. For his power and goodness are so great and incomprehensible that he arranges and does his work very well and justly even when the devils and wicked men act unjustly.”. says that God directly incited David to take the census, which occurred through the avenue of Satan’s tempting). 2. 16:33), who will receive salvation (Rom. 3.6 • 5 Ratings; Publisher Description. Segment 1 (0:00) – God is in control of everything and allows everything that happens, including calamities. 1.) (See John 8:47; 18:37.). And the rest of mankind He PAST OVER, LEAVING THEM IN THEIR SIN AND REBELLION. Great post! Whether we one may contend if God actually controls meaningless things, though I would say that Scripture says he does, I think it is beyond any doubt that He does actually determine everything important that happens in our lives, specifically whether or not we will be saved. In short, God was in total of everything at the beginning and He will be again at the end. They’ll say, “well it’s clear to me it’s not God’s will for everyone to be … I speak from experience. Of If God is in control of everything that happens in the universe, then He is in control of everything that happens in your life as well. “, but whether Scripture actually teaches if God controls everything or not. I guess it does bring some peace and comfort to know…we are not in control. The God revealed in the Bible is repeatedly recognized as absolutely sovereign over everything. (Crucial Questions). 22:1-10) as picturing the whole truth about the love of God in the gospel. That passage in Isaiah where he says “Declaring the end from the beginning” will be trotted out against me, but in context this is only about his PREDICTING based on the STUBBORNESS of Israel that they would have to be sent into Babylonian captivity. For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Wretched relies on the generosity of God’s people. I want everyone to seek after the truth because that is the most important thing! The God I read in the Bible is love. ( Log Out /  He may be saying “yes, those things I shall permit, as they can fit into my overarching plan for the universe” without actually directing each detail in the matters permitted. Secondly, such are figures of speech. David, I hope you would read it in its entirety. Bible Doctrine of Election, The by C.D. God said, “Have you not heard? Yet it is certain that he so judged because he saw ( Log Out /  But people then assume that since He is that powerful, then He would control everything. Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. hidden from us. This is a lying doctrine. You show me in your own words where the Bible teaches libertarian free-will? God may have made the sun stand still to allow his people to smite more of the heathen according to the author of Joshua — but to Jesus he causes the sun to shine on the good and the bad equally. I think that there are more compelling verses that show that we are incapable/unwilling to choose God, and incapable/unwilling to choose good. When we come face-to-face with the problems, disasters, and tragedies of life, we need to remember God IS in control. If it was paid, then it just cannot be paid again. I actually think this is the basic point of all Scripture: I am certain that this is a definite misreading of the teachings of historic Calvinism. You say that our choice to receive Christ is preceded by God’s choice of our salvation. According to Scripture, God “does according to his will in the host of heaven, and among the inhabitants of earth; and no one can ward off his hand or say to him, What have you done?”  (Daniel 4:35). You are implying that God wants some people to go to hell. RE: ‘Although some feel that a sovereign God is too threatening and humbling, the alternatives are discouraging. He is not the author of sin, but only allows sin to occur for His ultimate purposes. (Romans 9:11-24). Praise be to our Sovereign King! Sacrifices are mysterious things, however, and how and why they work rests entirely in the mind of God — they’re nonsensical in other words — so the question of why Jesus’ sacrifice can save people from hell cannot be answered. 1: Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. And it’s in that hope..that He left His holy Spirit here…gives me great comfort. I know that not all people get saved, but God wants all people to be saved. God does not rescue us from the 'facts of life.' but pay the penalties of that misery in which Adam fell by the And Calvin himself said, “By predestination we mean the eternal decree of God, by which He determined with Himself whatever He wished to happen with regard to every man.” (and this was not meant as simply referring to salvation itself), The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary Abstract Principles also contain the historic teaching of Calvin: “God from eternity, decrees or permits all things that come to pass, and perpetually upholds, directs and governs all creatures and all events; yet so as not in any wise to be the author or approver of sin nor to destroy the free will and responsibility of intelligent creatures.”, Belgic Confession article 13: “We believe that this good God, after he created all things, did not abandon them to chance or fortune but leads and governs them according to his holy will, in such a way that nothing happens in this world without his orderly arrangement. No one would have chosen God, had He not first Chosen us. https://thinkpoint.wordpress.com/2007/07/06/look-into-gods-heart-his-dispositional-will/, http://bloodtippedears.blogspot.com/2007/12/john-piper-free-will.html, http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/conference-messages/is-god-less-glorious-because-he-ordained-that-evil-be, http://www.reformedliterature.com/packer-arminianisms.php, http://thebereanway.wordpress.com/calvinism-discussion/, Top 15 Countries & 15 Posts « WisdomForLife. no one understands; “The LORD of hosts has sworn, saying, ‘Surely, as I have thought, so it shall come to pass, And as I have purposed, so it shall stand’” (Isaiah 14:24). Title: Does God Control Everything? We have freedom to do what we want to do…and what we want to do is determined by our nature….And by our nature, we are dead in our sin (Eph 2:1). On this view, when you have compared God’s relation to fallen men with that of a dignitary who invites all needy folk around to come and enjoy his bounty, you have said it all. The Calvinist will have to tell us this is all “accommodative language, fitted to our imbecility” — perhaps its the other way around, when God is said to know everything, isn’t that the “accommodative language”? It’s arrogant, he says, to think you’re in control. (something I’m not sensing on this blog!). So damaging to teach it! As the Westminster Confession states: “God the great Creator of all things upholds, directs, disposes, and governs all creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest even to the least, by his most wise and holy providence, according to his infallible foreknowledge, and the free and immutable counsel of his own will, to the praise of the glory of his wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy.”. 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